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Mhaerdirne Solveig
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Mhaerdirne Solveig on 13/10/2008 23:43:25 yeah I'm closing 2 accounts very soon as well
this won't be the end of my bad posting because I'll still have one...
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Reihai -1 account here.
+ Isk and stuff here ---->
in case you haven't gotten the memo yet, you are what they call "that guy" Signature removed. Text is showing as "Signature no longer available" and filesize is well in excess of the allowed 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator |
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: D4RT N3RDiUS "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."
Bugs what.
Torfi Frans Olafsson
Senior Producer of EVE Online
LIER LIER LIER LIER LIER LIER...
THIS IS WY YOU GONA LOST A LOT OF COSTUMER BECOUSE THEY DONT BELIEVE IN YOU ANIMORE YOU ARE A BAG OF LIES AND AGAIN YOU REINFORCE THE FEELING BY EDITING ALL THE POST SAYING YOU GOT OWNED !!!
ANDA AGAIN! YOU GOT OWNED! IN YOUR GAME ! JAJAJAJAJAJJAJAAJAJJAAJAJJAAJJA
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ramirez Dora
There are far more unfair things in Eve than someone training Titan V on an inactive account. Everyone will benefit far more from a reversal on this decision, and you might want to ask business to actually consult the players for ideas before you pull this again. After all, we aren't stupid :)
Really, the timeline goes like this:
30 day GTCs go away.
People who want to keep their accounts active for only 30 days use credit cards and *cancel* their accounts, instead of *lapsing* them, as they did before. I myself subscribed, and immediately cancelled, like I've been doing in every MMO I've ever played for a long time (recurring charges for luxuries are the devil.) Also, money gets tight for a lot of folks, due to world economic events (in many cases, it's been tight for a few months!)
So, more people now affirmatively cancel their extra accounts, maybe they take a break for a bit.
The survey comes in, lots of people say, probably among other reasons, "hey I don't play any more because of money", and "hey I'm just inactive, I set a long skill, I'll be back."
CCP can't do anything about the first one except lower prices. CCP believes that it can affect the second.
From one kind of business perspective, CCP is leaving money on the table. "Hey!" says this sort of businessman, "These guys have more surplus to extract, I am not doing my job! I must get that surplus out of them!" However, from another marketing perspective, the "I'll be back" is the important part.
I remember Ultima Online, where you lost your player's house if your account lapsed. This was a real incentive to keep a UO account! However, it made going "Screw UO" permanently a very easy thing to do- the game downright encouraged it! Once you dropped your subscription, you would let your house fall, and that meant you probably couldn't keep all the stuff you had in it. So you gave that away, and often a whole lot more, too, before you left. I don't know too many people who seriously came back to UO to play like they did before once they made that step of letting their houses fall. It was a real psychological barrier.
On the other hand, I know many, many people who have gotten bored with Eve at one point, and have said "well I'll set a long skill and see how I feel about it in 30 days". And what do you know, 30 days pass, and then Evemon (which they still run out of habit) chimes in to tell them "hey you finished battleship V!" Now they're thinking about eve again, and they say, "hey I'll reactivate and maybe mess around a little. I didn't lose anything." There is no psychological barrier- eve in its current form encourages players to go do their own thing when they get temporarily tired of eve. "Come back when you want," the game says, "it's no big deal, I will wait for you. I think you will like what we will make later, you can see it when you are ready to play again and get tired of shooting people in 2fort."
This spirit is a major positive that the players of eve enjoy and appreciate, and is a big reason why I play. While it is likely not to get rid of my last remaining account if the change comes in, I am certain to simply not renew 2 accounts of mine that represent play styles I tried but didn't really take to. This is not a punishment to CCP, not a "**** YOU I AM GONNA PLAY WOW", but simply a fact that reflects how the game's structure will treat me. It is something I have been mulling but what was a consideration has now become a certainty with these changes.
So CCP should probably not do these changes if they care about their old players coming back, and their new players experiencing a slightly different sort of spirit in a MMO- but they are free to do what they want. It is their game. Whether they will be successful with this new direction is another question. Signature removed. Text is showing as "Signature no longer available" and filesize is well in excess of the allowed 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator |
Mhaerdirne Solveig
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Liranan Last year March EVE had 42.711 players logged in. Since then CCP have been losing (logged in) players. Whether this means more and more people are resorting to ghost training is unknown to me but it's obvious CCP have been losing money. Then the link provided to the current situation in Iceland says this.
It is more likely that players are simply setting a long skill and saving a bit of money. This was OK when times were fat but now that they are lean, CCP is nervous. I cannot blame them, but I urge them to remember that a returning customer is the best customer. You do not have to find him, and he already likes you. Signature removed. Text is showing as "Signature no longer available" and filesize is well in excess of the allowed 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator |
Mhaerdirne Solveig
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Fader Bane yeah when are we hearing the reponse to the player guide description hmm? I'm rather sure false advertising is a crime.
It is not illegal to change your mind. But why do they have to act like they have never heard of this practice before? Signature removed. Text is showing as "Signature no longer available" and filesize is well in excess of the allowed 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator |
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: P'uck Alright I LOVE eve. It makes me come up with nerd jokes.
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Stretchmeat Crotchquake So how long until they fix that bug that lets you train skills even when you're logged off? No other MMO lets me do this!
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Haldane Fisher the only reason people get by with eve's skill training system is the fact that you could train out of subscription.
Speak for yourself.
I've never taken advantage of "ghost training", never felt the need or the desire and am quite pleased to see it go. (And hopefully to see the folks who take advantage of such things go with it.)
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
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Posted - 2008.10.15 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman Seems entirely reasonable to me - if you're not keeping the account's subs up to date, your character is kept waiting as it was at expiry until you reactivate the account. Especially as it's possibly to play for $/Ç0 thanks to officially sanctioned GTCs-for-ISK, I can't see how this is considered unreasonable at all.
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mhaerdirne Solveig on 15/10/2008 16:40:23 The funny thing about this change is that CCP has probably already felt the burn from these accounts cancelling, and it is only getting worse from here on out.
Originally by: Violet Pettle unreadable garbage
posts like yours are the reason these forums are terrible, stop it stop it stop it |
Mhaerdirne Solveig
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mhaerdirne Solveig on 15/10/2008 17:24:34
Originally by: Random5154
Look, if you have played EVE for 2 years and are cancelling your account over that, then OK. I bet 1 ISK that once you cool off you'll reactivate, probably even before the subscription ends.
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
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Posted - 2008.10.20 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana I see this thread is still going strong after a week which is strange considering everyone is quitting.
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